Chapter 210: The counter-plan goes astray

“Kuzunoha company’s peddling permission?”

“Yeah, he has saved my and his Majesty’s life in Rotsgard. We called him here to give our gratitude, so doing nothing won’t do. Raidou made a petition himself, and it isn’t a subject that needs any heavy regulation, so I have given him a response geared towards accepting.” (Joshua)

“I see.”

“Is there some sort of problem? A number of nobles that want him to make a store will probably be unsatisfied with this decision, but it shouldn’t be disadvantageous for us.” (Joshua)

“Yes, I think Joshua-sama’s thinking is correct. If he wished for it, it should be appropriate as an expression of gratitude.”

“It makes me happy that Hibiki says so as well. But well, the fact that this is currently the only request of Raidou makes me feel troubled though. It would actually make me feel more at ease if he were to ask for land or a peerage.” (Joshua)

A conversation with Joshua and Hibiki.

The conversation was about the Kuzunoha Company.

The promise that Joshua made to Raidou about the permission for the peddling the Kuzunoha Company did on the territory.

The two were talking about that matter.

Bredda was also there, but as of now, he hasn’t joined the conversation.

“He probably thinks he has obtained plenty enough compensation.” (Hibiki)

“No way. To say it is plenty enough when he saved the king and prince of a major power, there shouldn’t be a person who thinks in that way.” (Joshua)

“…If it’s him, it is possible. He is that kind of person.” (Hibiki)

“It is certainly true that Raidou has an uhm…a kind way of thinking, that doesn’t fit a merchant. But even he should have some sort of avarice. I would also like to recompense him a bit more. It wouldn’t be good to leave strange lingering discomfort after all.” (Joshua)

“You wanted to say he has a naive way of thinking, right Joshua-sama? That’s actually right, you know.” (Hibiki)

“Even so, that’s not a word that should be directed towards someone that has saved my life, Hibiki.” (Joshua)

Hibiki restates the words of Joshua who chose his words.

Joshua rebukes her, but there was no stormy atmosphere between the two.

Bredda was silently drinking tea.

It was easy to see that this is an usual occurrence.

“What are Joshua-sama’s thoughts about how we should associate with them from now on?” (Hibiki)

The true meaning of Hibiki’s question was not to ask the opinion of Joshua’s personal opinion only, but to include the king’s stance, and the will of the nobles.

Joshua is the advisor of the king, and the number of people that think his opinion is the opinion of the king are not few.

“He himself is someone that doesn’t hold evil intentions. The strength they have as a company and the ability of its employees can become a threat depending on the sides it takes, but in basis, I think I want to build a favorable relationship. It is clear that it is not simple peddling, and in reality, the contribution Mio-dono achieved outside her schedule in the reconstruction was splendid. It seems like they have cooperated with the reconstruction of Rotsgard as well, but from what I see, they probably have done more of their part in the work than a simple cooperator. I was about to overlook that part in the report that I had gotten.” (Joshua)

“Rotsgard has already regained its former form and is advancing to a step further than that. It is saddening, but the speed to stand back up was clearly different from the capital. There’s no doubt the Kuzunoha Company played a big part in it. Just looking at their achievements, it is truly an appealing existence, but…” (Hibiki)

Anguish shows in Hibiki’s face.

“As I thought, there’s problems too huh. In my eyes, they look like partners that can become extremely beneficial though… Then, from Hibiki’s viewpoint, how does he look to you?” (Joshua)

“Right now it is hard to put it in clear words but…there’s a few points.” (Hibiki)

“I don’t mind. Let’s hear it.” (Joshua)

“First of all, he doesn’t have an interest in the war that’s currently occurring in the world. On top of that, even though he is the Head of a power that can be considered a nation, he doesn’t have any intentions to gain more than what he personally views. It is incredibly unstable, and engaging them carelessly is way too dangerous.” (Hibiki)

“Assuming that there are a number of other people that have the same power as Mio-dono in the Kuzunoha Company, and taking Raiou-dono’s power into consideration as well, then not only a mercenary group, they would possess a military force akin to a nation. I consider it is proper to think of them to be in a nation level. But what’s that about not being interested in the war? I don’t understand the part about being unstable either.” (Joshua)

“It means exactly as I have said. He has the notable characteristic that no matter how much the hyumans, demi-humans, and demons do war with each other, he won’t care. Also, he has no discrimination towards the demi-humans, and it is possible that if asked to provide accommodations because of troubles…they would most likely sell goods even to the demon race.” (Hibiki)

“No way! That’s an act of betrayal towards hyumans!”

Bredda speaks out for the first time.

While they are doing business in the hyuman country, they sell goods to the demon race.

Thinking about it from the common sense of Bredda -no, from the common sense of a hyuman, it is an inconceivable act.

“…Even to the demon race? He didn’t look like he had such a lack of integrity though.” (Joshua)

Joshua narrows his brows at the opinion of Hibiki.

Because in Joshua’s eyes, Raidou didn’t look like a person that would sell goods to the demon race for profit.

“…It is not that there’s no integrity in profit. In that sense, I actually think he is loose. The point of beingr troubled is what plays a big part.” (Hibiki)

“For example, no matter the cause, if there’s a demon race village that was unable to secure food supply in winter and there’s a request for help, they would help them out even if it is a situation where even payment is doubtful?” (Joshua)

“Yeah. Of course, even if there’s a request for help similar to that from hyumans or demi-humans, they would most likely reach the same decision. He is…kind, after all.” (Hibiki)

“As a result, the war would grow longer…and a great number of lives would be lost, bringing ruin to the world as a whole, and yet, he would still do it?” (Joshua)

“He is kind after all. If there’s someone in trouble, no matter if hyuman or demon, he would most likely save them. Demi-humans wounded by hyumans, hyumans that were wounded by demi-humans…without discrimination.” (Hibiki)

“…I see. It is certainly true that Raidou-dono gave that kind of feeling. The part that he would choose help over profit. If in his mind, hyumans and demons are equally worthy of saving, they will become an incredibly troublesome existence.” (Joshua)

“Yes. For hyumans and demons alike, they will become an exceedingly dangerous existence.” (Hibiki)

“It is so sudden it is hard to believe, but since it is something Hibiki says, it is worth considering. If they are contributing to the demon race in the same manner as with us, it would not be good. But…even if that’s truly the case, we still have no choice but to continue with our current way of interacting. I see, so this is what’s troubling you, Hibiki.” (Joshua)

Joshua continued his words as he thought about the methods that can be taken with the Kuzunoha Company, and then, he noticed the reason for Hibiki’s heavy expression.

“…Yes. We have no choice but to have a favorable relationship with them. If they are an existence that brings benefits to both sides, we have to get involved with them as well.” (Hibiki)

The expression of Hibiki was still bitter, and it was comprehensible.

If it’s an existence that they can expect benefits in being involved with, even if they bring benefits to the enemy as well, they have no choice but to be involved with them as well.

Even if they are dangerous, as long as they don’t have a clear countermeasure for them, they won’t be able to break the deadlock, so they have to continue with how their relationship currently is.

“Fufufu, right. There’s no reason for us to throw away that benefit ourselves. And in truth, in this time’s visit, we have utilized them plenty after all. And yet, they are being taken as a threat. It is truly a misfortune.” (Joshua)

Joshua laughs in a self-depreciating manner.

The visit of the Kuzunoha Company has several objectives they have not been told about.

Thinking about that, a smile unconsciously came out.

“I will try to convince him at least. If…he were to side with us, it would solve most of the problems without doubt after all.” (Hibiki)

“It is written all over your face that you don’t think it will go well.” (Joshua)

“Honestly speaking, I don’t have the confidence. His sense of worth is already a lot more different than mine. I don’t know if we will be able to reach an understanding.” (Hibiki)

“I pray for your success. I want to continue having a good relationship with him after all.” (Joshua)

“Regarding that, I heartfeltly agree as well. It is someone I definitely wouldn’t want to be in trouble with after all.” (Hibiki)

“Someone you definitely don’t want to be in trouble with huh. Well, fine then. Regarding Raidou, I will leave the decision making to you. Well then Hibiki, you won’t mind if I advance things just as we have discussed, right?” (Joshua)

“Yes. I was meddled a bit by Mio-san, but there won’t be any problems. Let’s continue with it in one go.” (Hibiki)

“Understood.” (Joshua)

The talk finished, and Hibiki stands from her seat.

Joshua also stood up a second later, and sees her off.

Bredda was about to leave the room following Hibiki as if natural, but at that moment, he was called from behind.

“Bredda, there’s something I have to talk with you about.”

“Hah?” (Bredda)

Being in a different pattern from normal, Bredda let out a dumbfounded voice.

There have been times when Bredda has been in presence of the conversation between Hibiki and Joshua, but there’s never been something after that.

He was with the thoughts of only accompanying Hibiki, so it is an expected reaction.

“Ara, then I will be going ahead.” (Hibiki)

Hibiki didn’t show any special surprise and leaves promptly.

“Wai–, Hibiki?!” (Bredda)

The door was ruthlessly closed.

“…Seriously, what do you want, Joshua?” (Bredda)

Because Hibiki was now gone, Bredda returns to his sibling way of speaking and takes seat in a slightly violent manner.

He asks for Joshua’s business.

“Brother, I have established several occasions for this kind of meetings, but you haven’t participated in any of them properly, right?” (Joshua)

“I am present only as a knight and a bodyguard of Hibiki. In the first place, I am not in a position to say my opinion.” (Bredda)

“Because there was the will of the king as well, I have given tacit consent to brother’s attitude until now, but with the capital in this state, I can’t just leave it as always.” (Joshua)

“…Listen here Joshua…” (Bredda)

“Isn’t it time to be thinking about the ruling of the country? Not as a knight, nor a party member of Hibiki’s, but as the successor of father.” (Joshua)

“…You are talking about that? I have decided to be the shield of Hibiki as a knight. If it’s about the throne, you succeed it. If it’s Joshua, there’s no one who would be against it.” (Bredda)

“I don’t have the gift to be a ruler. In this time of war, the role of the king is to encourage the whole country, and the one who is the most fit for that role of being the king of Limia is you, brother. In the first place, I have already abandoned the succession of the throne.” (Joshua)

“It is just fine to say you want it back. In the first place, me being the decoration and you being the counsellor is not that different from you being the one directly doing things. I refuse being a simple decoration hanging.” (Bredda)

“Abandoning the succession of the throne is not something as simple as that you know. Also, if you are able to fulfill the role of a decoration, then in a sense, it can be considered a talent for being king.” (Joshua)

“But I have been telling you haven’t I? I want to be of use to Hibiki—” (Bredda)

“If you think that way, why can’t you understand that being the next king is the best move?!” (Joshua)

Bredda tried to finish the conversation in the same note, but today was different in all senses.

Interrupting his words, Joshua shouted.

At the same time, Joshua hits the table and a loud sound reverberated in the place.

“…What did you say?” (Bredda)

“Looking at the current Hibiki, you should be able to tell. She is already in a territory that a normal person can’t catch up to. That’s right…there’s already no way for brother to become the shield of Hibiki! When in the party, the most you can do is guard the priestess and Wudi, right?!” (Joshua)

Watching the mock battle of Raidou, Joshua was able to understand plenty enough that Hibiki’s strength had already surpassed the line of normal.

She clearly had a strength that went a different path from that of a strong adventurer.

The same could be said for Raidou, but it was evident that it was a different dimension from the trained strength of Bredda.

“Joshua, you…what are you trying to…” (Bredda)

“Brother will definitely become shackles for Hibiki in time, that’s what I am trying to say. Before turning into that, I am advising you to help her out in politics! Let me tell you this, you are only a prodigy by birth. Because of the king’s lineage.” (Joshua)

“Shut up!!” (Bredda)

“For example, the three of Kuzunoha Company, no matter which one of those three brother fights, you wouldn’t be able to defeat any. But if you move as the king of Limia, brother will have plenty enough power to become the strength of Hibiki.” (Joshua)

“I’m telling you to shut up!!” (Bredda)

“This is father’s will!” (Joshua)

“?!!”

“…It’s not that I think this way. If the capital gets attacked again, is there an assurance that the king will be safe? If he were to fall in this state where we still haven’t announced the next successor… We can’t have the current Limia fight over who will be the next successor. Something like that, even brother understands, right? Father is thinking about announcing brother as the next successor. Things like reading the heart of your own father, you should at least be able to do that without having me telling you, brother!” (Joshua)

“I can still do it. I will become stronger and support Hibiki.” (Bredda)

“I know that brother is someone that doesn’t slack in his efforts, but not only Hibiki; the priestess, Wudi, and also Naval; everyone possesses outstanding talent. It isn’t something that one can keep up with just hard work. Fortunately, brother’s defensive sword style can become a help in moments of need. Please take heed of my words.” (Joshua)

“Then what will they do about my substitute?! Yeah, it is certainly true that my strength is lacking, but is there any other person that’s able to support the current Hibiki at her side? Before talking about being me being the king, shouldn’t you first find that person?” (Bredda)

“…There is.” (Joshua)

“What?” (Bredda)

“I said there is one. We will be meeting that person after the Kuzunoha Company leaves though.” (Joshua)

Heartless words came from Joshua.

Bredda was at a loss for words, and was dumbfounded by the unyielding attitude of his little brother he had never seen before.

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Night

Finishing my plans of the day, I had returned to my room and was passing a leisure time with Lime.

He was doing maintenance to his katana that had finished recovering, in a good mood while talking about the state of the land near the castle.

“As expected, they are still far from being finished in the reconstruction.” (Makoto)

“Right. There’s also the point that Rotsgard is just way too fast though. Mio-neesan showed several things, so there’s probably going to be a request for help from the prince or maybe someone else.” (Lime)

“If it’s about helping with the reconstruction, I don’t mind helping in a permissible level though. It would definitely be a lot easier for the people that come from Rotsgard if the groundwork has been done after all.” (Makoto)

“It would be great if that much is enough though.” (Lime)

“That’s the most we can do. No matter the case, if the war intensifies once more…” (Makoto)

“The demon race huh. I don’t think they will match the conveniency of hyumans and not attack in winter, but…I wonder what they are planning. If it were me, I would immediately come to crush the weakened Limia though.” (Lime)

For the demon race, winter is a season that’s easy for them to defend in.

For hyumans, it is hard to attack.

But just as Lime says, it doesn’t mean the demons will have a hard time attacking too.

This is something that I can say with confidence after meeting them; the Demon Lord is not the type that would loosen in the offensive.

He is a person that would attack with no hesitation.

In other words, there’s a reason why he is not going for the attack.

In that case, this time where they are waiting for spring and the time they are doing their best in the reconstruction is actually a vital time for the hyumans.

Because it means that the demons are preparing a hand that is bigger than attacking the current Limia after all.

“Right. Well, when the time comes, I will move as well, so it won’t turn into the worst scenario.” (Makoto)

“Boss will move? You didn’t seem to have much interest in the war though.” (Lime)

“Hm? I don’t have any interest in the war, I also have no intentions in participating. Just that, I don’t think the demon race has much intentions of meddling with merchants and adventurers that much, so no matter what happens with the hegemony of society, I don’t think much would change in our everyday life.” (Makoto)

“…Getting along with the demon race is kind of a…complicated feeling. Then what do you mean by moving?” (Lime)

“Meaning that I will try to save Senpai at least. I don’t know about this country though.” (Makoto)

“…That’s just like Boss-ssu. Hm? Someone’s coming. This is…Hibiki-ssu ne. This late in the night, that’s rare. (Lime)

“Senpai? If she has any business, it would be with me huh.” (Makoto)

“Most likely. Well, even if Boss and Hibiki pass a night together, nothing will be happening, so it is most likely not going to end in seduction.” (Lime)

“Oh, sharp words there. Leaving aside me, from what I know, Senpai is quite popular you know?” (Makoto)

“…Well, she pretends as if she knows how to deal with men. She is the same as Boss, so she won’t be able to do those kind of things.” (Lime)

“The same as me?” (Makoto)

“Hehe, just ignore this delirious talk of a man that has travelled along with her.” (Lime)

What is he talking about? 

The points that Senpai and I have in common are pretty few, you know.

After a bit, knocking comes from the door.

“Yes?”

“It is Hibiki. Do you have a bit of time?” (Hibiki)

“Come in.” (Makoto)

Just like what Lime said, it was Senpai.

“…So Lime was here too. Can you please…no, Raidou-dono, can you accompany me for a bit? It might take a while though.” (Hibiki)

Is it something that she doesn’t want to talk about in this room?

At the very least, it doesn’t seem to be something related to the priestess-san.

I don’t think we will be visiting her at this late of an hour after all.

“It is okay. Then Lime, I will be leaving for a bit. It is okay to go rest before me.” (Makoto)

“Okay. I will do that.” (Lime)

Lime lowers his head.

His mouth was smiling, but his eyes weren’t smiling much.

Maybe because Tomoe or someone of that line has asked him to be cautious of her?

But even if he is going to eavesdrop, there’s nothing that would trouble me if he heard, so I will just let him do whatever he wants.

“Then, let’s go.”

“Yes.”

Senpai is trying to feign it as always, but I could tell from her body that she was tense.

Just like when we talked about the priestess, I don’t think this will be a comfortable talk.

Because of the recall ritual, it has become a pretty good development for me in Limia though.

Waterfall seemed to be the sober type of dragon, but she opened the library and brought us back, so she is quite the open-hearted fellow.

I have also received the peddling permission for the Forest Oni’s unit, and as long as we are able to return without anything happening, it would be great.

But it won’t go so smoothly huh.

Ah, right.

It depends on the talk with Senpai, but maybe I should try talking with her about the recall ritual.

I think that information about returning home is important.

Yeah, that’s not bad.

The back of Senpai made a silence flow through us, and that provided me time to arrange my thoughts.

In time, Senpai’s legs stop and turns towards me.

Senpai and I were in a part of the castle, at a corridor where we could easily see all the land around the castle.

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583 thoughts on “Chapter 210: The counter-plan goes astray

  1. Thanks for the chapter..

    Hibiki & Makoto: How about we recall you back to earth..

    Hibiki & Makoto: Eh!?

    Hibiki & Makoto: Jinx!

    Hibiki: Don’t you wanna return? Don’t you miss your family? friends?

    Makoto: I don’t have any lingering attachments there already.. How bout you? Don’t you wanna return.. Since it’s technically my fault why you guys are dragged to this world

    Hibiki: I like this world… And personally I don’t wanna return (damn it.. Why wouldn’t he return..)

    Makoto: Oh.. Ok.. Same situation then.. Ok.. Bye-bye (Back to world domination.. Ehem peddling.. teaching.. mindbreaking..)

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    1. … are you sure… ?
      She’s a prince that prepared to sacrifice herself for her country, don’t you think she will also sacrificing her people for victory ?
      In character with high pride like her, usually they will also carry a calculative mind, if the price for whole country is one tiny soul, I don’t think she will even hesitate.

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    1. Its something like ‘I could kill a dog but I cant kill humans?’ Kind of a thing. Forgot what the actual line was but i think someone had said somethig about this idea already.
      How people think He woudnt betray hos own kind kind of a thing when he wasnt even given any real rewards.

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      1. It’s not that surprising, really.

        First off, hyumans are in a race war with the Demons. You know how a common enemy forces people to join together? Same thing. That’s why Limia/Gritonia/Lorel, even though they don’t like each other (and may fight each other in the future) are teamed up now and now backstabbing each other.

        Second, Limia hasn’t seen Makoto being mistreated. He’s a prominent Lecturer at a prestigious university, he has a thriving business, and people love his store. So they don’t have a concrete reason to think that Raidou has grudge against hyumanity.

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      2. Yeah especially when mio has been giving her too many hints and can’t get the message given to her. Its like talking to an unintelligent being

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      1. Not only Limia would be destroyed.
        The plot from the demon people, where they used the staff to call Root, would still be used. They seem to have planned that for a long time, and the plan would come to completion more or less around the same time as it did in this time-line. (Maybe when the demon-kind celebrate their victory over Limia?). The only one capable of stopping it, however, would then not be near. That would be the end of the war, and demon-kind. Moreover, people would probably claim it was the goddess who interfered, since none would be alive to say they saw a dragon.

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      2. Am i somehow thinking that, there might be a story of an unusual summon, since theres a story that it randomly happens, and the one that will be summoned will be either or both the two lovely top onee-sans.

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      3. vinzzz007 no the staff was used BECAUSE makoto was there and not otherwise, the mock battle was the oportunity the rebels needed to get all the generals toghether and distracted/weakened because of it, also the destruction of the OLD capital wouldnt mean much since they have a newer one, the demon lord also wouldnt have died since he could protect himself from it so the demon leadership would be safe, the diference would be that any posible suport for the rebels in the populance would be gone and they would be captured faster instead

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  2. the existace of Makoto is more and mor become a threat, toward not just godness and the Hyuman faction, but aslo to the other side as welll.
    But i should remind you, he only hold grude gainst the Godness( specificly the bug)… so he always try to drag as many people out of his fight as possible before it turn into a cluster f*ck of chaos, like his previous self on the other timelines…..

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      1. This was something I read on animesuki, but from what the person said, it was one of the most recent raw releases.

        Also, Makoto will have another battle with someone strong in the future. Don’t know when though.

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  3. Don’t get why the Hyuman side considers it a betrayal of Makoto were he to supply the demon side. They haven’t really done jack squat for him and he has literally saved their country and hero from ruins when he also considered at this point a neutral party. They should take what Mio said and shove it and not get in the way. Specially consider it a pain in the ass that Hibiki still sides with the Hyumans and still consider herself a force of good when their side is mostly causing all the problems or should I say the Goddess faction which controls it. Genius my ass if she still can’t see how bad the Bug bitch is.

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    1. It’s because the hyumans are “suppose” to be united under the goddess in the fight against the demons. Supporting the demons would be supporting the enemy. Makoto sees no difference between humans, demi-humans, and demons. Hibiki and Tomoki don’t know the true face of the goddess. Their only interactions was from the summoning and nothing further. So their image is based nothing more on the image the hyumans have of the goddess. We as the readers see both sides of the story (though a bit more skewed towards Makoto’s POV), so we can truly understand its the hyumans by their teachings from the goddess that are misguided, and that the demons are not necessarily evil but do what they must for the survival of their race.

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      1. I’m actually starting to see the goddess as a tsundere. And if you read the specials about Makoto’s parents, you’ll understand, a little bit, why the goddess abuses Makoto.

        And, this was explained in a previous chapter, if Makoto alone was summoned as a hero in the hyuman society, he would turn dark faster than the current Makoto. so IF the goddess knows that and intentionally summoned other heroes and sent Makoto to the wasteland rather than a powerhouse country… Wouldn’t she the biggest tsundere?

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      2. Yeah, I don’t buy it.

        Firstly, Bug doesn’t have that kind of foresight. Secondly, she was still being a spoiled brat in the side story. Lastly, as far as any of us know, she didn’t know anything about Makoto and the first two teleports could be seen as attempted murder.

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      3. @Fuannai
        Well, his mom did mention, “She is more like tsuntsuntsuntsuntsundere.”
        So. . . Maybe? Though, I don’t think the Goddess is quite that good. She’s trashed Makoto pretty bad every time she’s ever met with him.

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      4. @Fuannai
        Well considering that the goddess didn’t gave him the ability to communicate with hyumans and dropped him in the wastelands where hyumans presence is scarce i don’t think she was being tsundere at all.Also she didn’t know it was Makoto being summoned until he was already sent there so i don’t think she was planning to preserve him or guiding him considering she didn’t even want him on her world

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      5. @Psychronia who knows. she might have know through the other Makoto’s. Although bratty, she still did help Makoto’s parents. And actually, if she didn’t help them, Makoto would have never been born. She did more than what was in their contract. Those attempted murders, though this seems shit, but Makoto has some sort of obligation to comply with the goddess as he is already a property of the goddess. Remember in the first chapters? Makoto was set as a compensation, by his parents, for the help of goddess in transferring his parents to another world.

        @Ascending Flame well, I never said she’s good. I do really hope that she has a dere side :v but it will be a tough wall to break since she’s a tsuntsuntsuntsuntsundere.

        @lynnerst she was actually stunned why Makoto wasn’t able to talk in common language when they met before she sent Makoto into Limia. As far as I can remember it has something to do with Makoto’s capacity being full and shiz. Can’t quite remember. The goddess knew that one of the Misumi will come.. Well there can be a lot of speculations, but long story short, The goddess is quite irritated at Misumi bloodline since it’s the clan that has forsaken the world she had put in so much effort.

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      6. The only reason she made that deal with Makoto’s parents was so she could force them back to their families when they failed. She didn’t think that they’d actually succeed, and if it wasn’t for the fact that gods can’t go back on their words, she wouldn’t have done it.

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    2. It is a betrayal since he’s also a hyuman. Just imagine, you’re in a company and you learned that your sister company is secretly having a deal with your rival company.

      Even if they take the warning of Mio, is there any guarantee that the Kuzunoha co. will not do anything to Limia? Kuzunoha may not have a reason as of now, but what if in the near future they change mind?

      Hibiki is not doing the hero thing for some self-righteous reasons. It is more of sense of duty?

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      1. She is doing it for fun.
        Well, she did decided to come to this world for some worthwhile obstable in her life, because she is “blessed” in the modern world.

        Anw, i agreed to ur analogy but disagree with the rebuttal using analogy to explain why they think makoto is betraying hyuman.

        It is true that makoto is, genetically, a hyuman. However, he was not someone born in this world and spend his whole life in it.
        Given that they know his background, why do they think that hyuman will naturally band tgt to deal with “external” threat.

        Would u think that someone who is new to the company A will cut off their “secret deal” with the rivalry company B juz because he/she r just hired by A?
        They already know that he is someone from another world… So, why did they want to confine him in their views, standards.

        Besides, Limia had/intended to exploit kuzunoha/makoto in the first place. So, they shldn’t blame on his act if their own intention is impure to begin with.

        That’s only make Limia just being self-righteous…

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      2. I will agree that Hibiki originally came to the world for fun. And she might even be enjoying it now. But I also think she’s come to have feelings for at least some of the hyumans, and so she takes it seriously.

        And we should all be so lucky to have a job we enjoy.

        That being said, I don’t think it’s self-righteous what Limia is feeling. It’s about solidarity. (Hyumans vs. Demons). To say that they were hoping to “exploit” Kuzunoha is basically a business relationship (You do a favor for me, I do a favor for you).

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      3. Well if you only consider hibiki and joshua’s side. How about bredda and other nobles, or maybe the majority? As i remember even in rostgard they view makoto is allied at the demon race before the attack of the mutants.

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      4. Think about his work force they are almost all dimi-human who he considers friends and family then add hyumans insulting, looking down on, and the abuses carried out against those dimi-humans not under the kuzunoha banner he sees it as a possibility that they will be treated badly when he is not around that was the point of Tomae’s boot camp

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    3. I have enough of the “dem white people are evil” mentality.
      they won the past wars, and that’s it.
      they are the ‘winners’ of history.
      nothing more.

      Why siding with hyumans make you evil?
      Why siding with hyumans make you stupid?
      Why “good” people have to side with demons?
      Why smart people have to side with demons?
      Why demons are so better people than hyumans?
      they took their land from other demi-humans, to be sure they wouldn’t come back, they slaughtered every single person of the country. they slaughtered every children like fucking pigs. and now they intend to do the same thing again with hyumans.
      In what way do you think they are so much better than hyumans?
      what make you think hibiki should betray hyuman to side with demons and slaughter hyumans?
      What make you think without hyumans there would be no wars?

      you reproach hibiki to judge hyumans as good and demons as evil (when it was already proven that she didn’t fought in this war for “justice” or “moral” but because she cared for limia’s people), but you judge hyumans as evil and demons as good.
      You reproach hyumans to have prejudice against other races when you have prejudices against hyumans.

      Fucking hypocrisy and fucking “TOLERANT LEFT” mentality

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      1. I think most people see it this way since makoto is from a different world he should not side with humans since they view things differently then him. I persoanlly think makoto should just go and be a third party and bring both sides into a peace treaty. He has enough power for it and this way also benefits both sides since it will stop their views of total annihilation for either group and bring them to think we best not piss off the dude that can wioe out both sides for being idiots.

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      2. I were talking about makoto here but the unfunded hate hibiki and tomoki receive for helping hyumans.

        So you want makoto to come and threaten all country to wipe them out if they don’t follow his orders. Okay.
        Now, what do you think about tomoki theatening other country with his nuke, if they don’t come under his rule?
        (pretty much what he intend to do and what he did in the ‘dream’)

        you better not be part of the people criticizing the heroes for not acting “heroic” enough and be to authoritarian and extreme, because “that can wipe out both sides for being idiots” is very extreme and closer to ‘villain’ than ‘hero’.

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      3. Im not. I dont like hibiki because there is not much of a good character there for me. Tomoki had the perfect setting to be my favorite character but the princess has corrupted him too much. If he was neutral then yeah threaten them. But he has gone crazy thanks to the princess. 😧

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      4. dunno, the only think we know about tomoki is that he was bullied for looking good.
        tho the “imperfect” part is interesting, since it will permit him to straighten through hardship.

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    4. First, the details of how Makoto saved Limia and Hibiki might be unknown to the people.
      Second, the moment the Buggess summoned the heroes to “her” world, not only did tell them the circumstances in her point of view, but also bought them with weapons and powers, showing them her “good” side, so unless something really fucking bad happens to them, they’ll not be aware of the wickedness of this world.
      Lastly, the reason why hyumans would see the act of helping the demons as a betrayal: Even if the Buggess created all of the hyumanoids life forms of “her” planet, it was decided by her that ONLY the hyumans will be the dominant race, making the other races slaves of the hyumans, so they see the demi-hyumans in general with despise and would see whatever good interaction with them as preposterous, invidious, etc. Like how the Egyptian royalty saw the slaves… In any case, the origin of the hyuman-demon war, was because a young and inexperienced priestess of the Buggess, who was also the fiancee of a Crown Prince in some K-kingdom, got infatuated with some male demon, the people in the temple and the novelty got furious, they captured the demon, killed him, declared war against the demon race, and almost executed the priestess, if not for the Prince, reason for the other cities ordered the destruction of the K-kingdom, only with the couple been the sole hyumans survivors. As what they did after… That’s for another time.

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  4. Tsuki ga michibiku x kumo desu ga

    joshua:i already brought your replacement brother, his name is…..
    black armored man: kuro…..
    joshua: y..yess..kuro-sama, i heard from the goddess that he was sent here after losing his home and loved one..
    kuro: urgh……
    bredda: oy..oy is he will really be okay?!
    joshua:yes don’t worry brother, the goddess said he’s stronger than superior dragons
    bredda: really?? i doubt that, if he’s really stronger than superior dragon that means he can beat the calamity spider right?
    kuro: SPI…DER!! YOU SAID SPIDER RIGHT?!!
    bredda:e….ehhh.. yes spider….
    kuro: DAMN! WHYYYY!! WHYY IT’S SPIDER AGAINN!!!

    a certain black spider: Magical Girl(spider) raising project desu-wa~
    a certain white spider: nai-wa~~

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  5. Thanks for the chapter as always, the last couple of chapter had been so intense that this one feels bleack, but we got more info and clearly see he other side point of view and why Hibiki, and Waterfall came to such a decisions with Kuzonoha, I have to say I never though of the conclusion that Josua came up with, totally understandable. Lets see how this conversation between the 2 compatriot will develope, this here must be what the author has been working towards since the moment they bumped into each other in Rostgard.

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  6. Hibiki: Makoto do y… do you see all this, all this I want to protect, all that I hold dear.

    Makoto: err yes I do and I also see that woman being mugged and that prostitute being dragged into an alley.

    Hibiki: …

    Makoto: …

    Hibiki: Makoto do you see this, this I hold dear and must protect. If given more time I would very much have had shown you even the ugly side of this capital.

    Makoto: erm.. Hibiki aren’t you going to help them?

    Hibiki stares in to the distant with a heavy expression.
    I guess even she has stuff she doesn’t want to talk about.
    Well not that I care so I shouldn’t delve too deep into it.

    Hibiki: Lets go to a room nearby, after all I would like to speak to you for quite a while.

    Makoto: Yes about that I do have things i’d like to say to senpai too, so lead the way.

    Hibiki once again walked in front but this time she seems to be shaking her buttocks.
    Maybe this is what lime meant about seduction but I shouldn’t delve too deep into it.

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  7. The more I think about it the more I approve of Hibiki’s stance here. She’s not against Makoto because he’s strong, but because he’s almost unnaturally indifferent. I hadn’t thought it weird at the time, but Makoto didn’t bat an eye when he turned that Liz into paste with his foot. He had no qualms about murdering Shen if he had to, either. That’s not super normal.

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      1. Its a dog monster, thats the name of the species, it was the first monster that he encountered in that world and saved Emma from.

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  8. “No way! That’s an act of betrayal towards hyumans!”
    I am the only one that is not shocked by his reaction?
    In a war of that scale, I don’t see it strange that there is an embargo on trade with demons.
    the war is indeed hymans VS demons, and makoto is on hyuman’s side (physically on territory under hyuman rules), so Makoto trading with demons (helping the ennemy) can be seen as a betrayal.

    how many spat on Lime when he helped hibiki even though he wasn’t helping an “enemy”, makoto see hibiki more as an ally.

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    1. I am actually shocked that they assume Makoto is a hyuman though they know he come from Hibiki’s world. Even then Makoto is effectively a foreigner doing business and establishing a branch of company in their territory so to call it a betrayal is like declaring the foreigner betrayed them because he also have a branch company in their enemy territory.

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      1. Rather than assuming Makoto is a hyuman, it’s more like 2 out of 3 people from Earth are on hyumanity’s side. And Lorel tried to collect and assimilate the Wise.

        Historically speaking, people from other worlds were still on hyumanity’s side.

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      2. makoto cut his ties with japan, the only thing that remain is “native from japan”, but isn’t affiliated to the country of japan.
        Makoto came in Rotsgard to not be affilated with any country, but that town still fall under hyuman’s rule, making him on hyuman side.
        even if his real home is now asora nobody now it, officially his home and main office are in Rotsgard, making him affiliated to Rotsgard.
        If you rule over a country, and one of your merchant that isn’t born in that country, but now part of it, start doing business in the backstage with the neighbor country that is trying to wipe out your people, you will probably see it as a treason. because, you know, one of your countrymen is helping your enemy.

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      3. Actually that was probably assumption on the hyuman side that he was on their side and I can see where they come from. But it’s still a strange thing to blurt out when they at least know Makoto is neutral about the whole war. Maybe they just can’t accept the fact that a hyuman is willing to do trade with the demons and the demons with their own prejudice actually accepted.

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    2. Far from not being shocked, my reaction was more along the lines of:

      “Oh. It’s about time we had this conversation. Let’s see how good they are at reading Makoto.”

      All things considered, Joshua and Hibiki did well.

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      1. agree, once they knew he is the devil, they should remember the devils action, especially shiki(larva)’s behavior when he didn’t care about hyumans and gone as far as take hibiki’s party member hostage to keep her from moving.

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  9. pretty sad he doesn’t miss his sisters for which he went along with the summoning in the first place for, it is currently the biggest plothole in the story till the author remembers or explains his lack of any lingering feelings for his family

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    1. He does miss them though. The three visiting gods mentioned Asora seems Japanese specifically because Makoto is homesick.

      And I could argue that Makoto is projecting a desire for his family on his followers.

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  10. “I said there is one. We will be meeting that person after the Kuzunoha Company leaves though.” (Joshua)

    It’s Misura.. shield swordsman . Poor guy, probably gets brainwashed by Hibiki at some point…

    some cliffhanger… maybe on the next chapeter Hibiki decides to join Makoto now…

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  11. Thanks for the chapter. They say he’s prolonging the war which is sort of true, but without him Hibiki would be dead and they would’ve pretty much lost already. I seriously hope that in the next chapter they have a talk for real and he will realize that Hibiki is not his friend.

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  12. Hmm hmm….will this talk be a medicine or a poison? This’ll be interesting. Also, it feels like Makoto is more and more emotionless as time goes by…..

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  13. Say, can we discuss war theory for a second?

    Would Makoto’s impartial support actually ultimately increase casualties in a war? I feel like we need to look at this both in a “from one side” and a “overall” perspective.

    The impression I got was that things like taking prisoners and other rules of war ultimately reduce the death toll. Or is it just a different story this time because it’s a race war to the extinction?

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    1. yes, I think they will hunt each other into extinction, and Makoto helping both side make sure none become too weakened, thus the opposite side don’t have any opportunity to give a decisive blow, and the battle stay balanced, both side keep making sacrifices in stagnant battles, and when one finaly take the ascendance on battle, they will have suffered more casuility to win.

      that’s how I see this war.

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    2. It depends on the nature of the support he offers and the direction the war takes, but overall, it’s hard to say.

      For instance, a prolonged war can end up resulting in just two sides coming to terms with snarling at each other across the 38th Parallel. But part of that requires both sides be able to live with that. A race war in which both sides are determined to wipe the other side out, probably can’t reach that level of compromise.

      Also, if the support Kuzunoha offers is in the form of peaceful things like supplies and medicines, he is insulating both sides from suffering from things like nature, famine, disease….allowing both sides to continue fighting another day. This probably benefits the Demons more, by virtue of their territory (inhospitable, difficult to travel, etc.)

      On the other hand, if Kuzunoha offers superior weapons, each conflict becomes potentially more deadly. So, fewer survivors, more casualties.

      On top of which, as a race war, it’s fair to assume the war is won when one side is wiped out. So in a quick war, the casualties = your casualties + the total population of the enemy side. But if the war is prolonged for a long time, then it is possible for the total casualties to span multiple generations and may even exceed that initial population number (think Hatfield and McCoys.)

      There’s a lot of factors, and in the end, the best answer I can give is: Bug knows. (Or maybe not. She doesn’t seem like a deep thinker)

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      1. Hmm…in that case, from a single side’s perspective the best case scenario would be for Makoto to keep from helping either party so that the winner of the war has the least casualties.

        On the other hand, the best end from an overall standpoint would be for Makoto to support both sides(in peaceful matters) to drag the war out until both sides get tired of it and give up on genocide. It’s not like they can risk offending him no matter how much he obstructs their war efforts.
        …Pfft. Now that I think about it, it would be amusing if Kuzunoha assisted in reinforcing both defenses so that neither side can do anything to the other.

        Well, this is all assuming nothing happens to Makoto’s attitude regarding the war and Bug doesn’t do anything, both of which are really big ifs.

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    3. The thing is… did kuzunoha wanted to become a Military supplier? When it comes to war what comes to mind is mass production and Kuzunoha is more like a speciality shop and I can’t seem to imagine Makoto agreeing to mass produce weapons, and the medicine they sell while better than most product and cheaper is not exactly a super performance enhancing drugs.

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      1. Yeah, that’s why Makoto’s support doesn’t really harm either side beyond “making more enemies survive”.

        I kinda like this stance, since Makoto doesn’t particularly care about either side. If he doesn’t want to use brute force, this would be one of the better ways to obstruct a war.

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      2. Well as long as Kuzunoha don’t sell weapons and sell medicine only to civilian It will no troubling very much To both sides

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      3. Oh yeah. I completely forgot about that aspect.

        Makoto limits his supply and only really targets the poor civilians, so the military divisions might not be able to get that much supplies to begin with.

        Well, the demon race also reap more benefit out of this, since their civilians’ labor are optimized by the country.

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      4. Demon`s technology and military is vastly superior to hyuman’s, if Makoto supplies demons with food hyumans are done for. That’s exactly what Hibiki and Joshua fear.

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      5. @db: i think if kuzunoha supplying demon with food or food processing technology etc it can lessen the cause of war or at least the supporter for war faction will diminish in the long run.

        though just like sari said it isn’t easy to accept peace….because the grudge was already deep.

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    4. Wasn’t Makoto only supposed to support the civilians that had nothing to do with the war? Zeff already made peace with not being saved, because their objective changed to revenge and only asked for Makoto to take care of his people (the ones not involved with the war) so that they won’t become extinct.

      Makoto is staying neutral so he won’t be given any armies weapons and supplies, only helping the civilians.

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    5. Well from what I got for the chapter the influence of the company is prolonging the war, creating a stalment since he is not letting either side decimate the other slowly, the war will only end if one side makes an out of the norm attack to the other forcing a surrender (or so far total anihilation) or if they spend each other so mutch that the call a cease of fire. (Sorry for the bad english)

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    6. I read all the comment below (or above this now) I need to say you guys overthinking things.
      What Joshua means by prolonging the war are simply because if kuzunoha heal the wounded soldier/village that village/soldier will be rearing to go back to war. It’s goes both way though, and what can be worse than war of attrition?

      Let’s think it like this in normal conditions hyuman HP bar and Demon HP bar are not going to have self-regen attributes, but with kuzunoha supplying medicine they will be regenerated at stable rate, in worst case they will reach stalemate because their HP neither decline or increases.

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  14. I waited to binge read the two chapters only to fall for this cliff ! Tch, that’s not funny !

    Well, so even that Okama Princess does have a bit of gratefulness when that (Virgin)Bitchiki doesn’t, even though she’d been directly saved twice ! Don’t know if I should laugh or not here.

    Oy, oy, that Friendzoned Prince sure takes heavy hits ! Let alone the decoration, he’s gonna end up as a punching bag ! AHAHAHAHAHAHAH !

    Oh, forget that, MC-chan’s little student is gonna take this role. You can just go and act all high and mighty. AHAHAHAHAHAHAH !

    So even in this field, Bitchiki is all barks and no bites ! As expected of the great heroine(lol)-sama !

    I’m having expectations for the near coming chapters, I feel that something really interesting is gonna happen, but I’m not sure of what so let’s just sit and enjoy !

    Thanks for your work !

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    1. Joshua doesn’t appear any more grateful than Hibiki. Like Hibiki, she seems to have decided that since Kuzunoha is going to have dealing with the Demons, it would be self-harming to decide not to also do business with Kuzunoha

      As for saving her “directly” twice, there’s that time in the Limia capital. What was the other one? Saving her from Mio is at most a half-save. (You don’t get credit for cleaning up your own mess)

      And what do you mean by all bark and no bite? What was the bark? What was the bite? What are you talking about?

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      1. Probably referring to when the bug sent him in front of the demon army to save her hyuman army, which resulted in Sofia and Lancer trying to kill him.

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      2. It’s kinda hard to decipher his insistent speech pattern, but I think he’s referring to Hibiki being similar to Makoto in terms of love experience.

        She talks big about matters of love, like shown when she talked about Bredda and marriage with Lime, but in reality…well, it says plenty if Lime’s comparing her to Makoto.

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      3. @Barko

        I’m inclined to count that first fight with Lancer/Sofia as a half-save at most. Hibiki was fighting Io, and Makoto’s appearance distracted them briefly. It was Naval’s sacrifice that actually saved Hibiki.

        @Psychronia

        Ah, that makes sense. Thanks!

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      4. @Blue, still though. They wanted fight the heroes. Even if Naval succeeded in saving her, Sofia and Lancer would’ve still gone after them, but because Makoto almost killed them, they decided to give up and power up some more.

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      5. “You wanted to say he has a naive way of thinking, right Joshua-sama? That’s actually right, you know.” (Hibiki)

        “Even so, that’s not a word that should be directed towards someone that has saved my life, Hibiki.” (Joshua)”

        That single line shows that the Okama Princess is more grateful than that (Vir)Bitchiki. Though, as the “Prince”, he might have to act differently.

        As for the rest, Barko, Psychronia and Kingtempest are right.

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      6. @KingTempest

        Even so, there’s only so much credit you can give people for the consequences of their unintended actions. For instance, Makoto didn’t know he saved Hibiki. Hibiki didn’t know he saved her. (She didn’t even know about Sofia) So what logical reason says Hibiki should be grateful to him for something NEITHER one of them know about? (It’s like saying every day, the people you didn’t run over with a car should be grateful to you for saving their lives.)

        In addition to which, battle-freaks Sofia and Lancer don’t always kill their opponents. Sofia spared Tomoki after all (sadly). So even if they did fight, Hibiki might still live.

        Another example of WHY there’s a limit to the credit we give for unintended actions: IF Makoto’s beating Sofia saved Hibiki, we can ALSO argue it killed Night Clad and Akari. Because they lost to him, they decided they needed more strength and so killed two more Superior Dragons. (They didn’t know how much strength they needed for Root.) Therefore, Akari and Nightclad should hate Makoto.

        Think of it like “seven-degrees of separation.” Credit/Blame for unintended consequences should be limited to 0-1 degrees of separation (I think 0 is to yourself, 1 is acting directly on someone else). 2 degrees and further just gets silly (You did something to someone who MIGHT have done something to someone else)

        @Sakamaki Izayoi
        I see what you mean, but that’s really a small difference.
        First, Joshua AGREES with Hibiki, she just has the manners (or political savvy) not to say it out loud. Also, Joshua has more feelings of gratitude towards Makoto because she KNOWS he didn’t do anything with her secret.

        Hibiki has solid knowledge of Makoto saving her once. (And it may not have sunk in yet. She’s still in partial shock about everything else.)
        Joshua has solid knowledge of Makoto saving her once, AND choosing not to blackmail her.

        Second, that comment could be taken another way: Calling Makoto “naive” could suggest that saving Joshua or not blackmailing her was foolish (i.e., a bad thing). In other words, criticizing Makoto is like criticizing Joshua.

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      7. Actually, about Sofia sparing Tomoki, there’s a chance that his charm caused that. After all, not even an hour after leaving him unconscious, she was ranting about how great he was. If it wasn’t for Makoto, she’d have probably been Tomoki’s slave before the sun came up.

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      8. @blue the only reason sofia didnt kill tomoki is not because they dont always kill their enemy. Remember tomoki manage to place inside her a seed from his charm. Makoto meets her and with out knowing if he was on the goddess side she attacked to kill, even when he tries to explain that he is not her enemy. Its the seed of tomokis charm that stops her. Even makoto says it.

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      9. @David

        I was wondering if I should mention that part, but decided I was running out of space.

        1) The reason Sofia was so desperate to kill Makoto was because she evaluated him as a threat. It’s in her POV chapter. Her instincts, perhaps at Hibiki level, told her he was an extremely dangerous entity. All the talking she and Lancer did was just side-dressing.

        2) I think it’s fair to assume that Hibiki and Tomoki were much weaker back then, so they wouldn’t have even tickled Sofia’s danger sense.

        3) If you think Tomoki’s charm saved him, why not also think it’s possible that Hibiki’s charisma would have saved her? And in fact, since Hibiki actually persuades people (instead of just brute-force brainwashing), maybe she would have even gotten Sofia on her side? (I’m not saying that would have happened. Just saying there’s a limit to how much credit you can give people for things that did not happen.)

        4) While Makoto SAYS maybe Tomoki’s seed prevented Sofia from killing Tomoki, I thought that was intended more as a taunt than a Detective Conan moment.

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      10. I’m a bit skeptical of the idea of Hibiki’s charisma saving her. Tomoki’s charm is more invasive and seems more powerful in terms of immediate output, while Hibiki has more of a gradual conversion going on.

        Hibiki would certainly be better than Tomoki at verbal persuasion, but I’m also not sure how much that would work on Sofia. Makoto was definitely a unique case, but the only time we see someone try to talk to her, it didn’t work.

        Personally, I’m classifying that incident as Makoto inadvertently saving Hibiki because Sofia arriving at the battle with Io would probably have ended poorly.

        ….Then again, Hibiki seemed to have survived up until Io’s assassination attempt in the “Makoto Joins Gritona” timeline, so who knows?

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      11. @blue but why would makoto taunt her? Its not like he needed her to make a mistake so he could kill her. He had enough leeway to talk and just watch her for the whole fight.

        True they were weak enough that sofia would not feel threaten but they are still her enemies. If only for the sole fact that they would bear their fangs at her. And no hibiki would not be able to get sofia on her side after all hers is passive tomokis is forceful.

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      12. @psychronia

        I do agree that Hibiki’s charisma is more passive, but it can also work more immediately. (This is all just speculation)

        Because Tomoki’s is constantly active and just a brute force attack, if you have the magic-resistance, it has zero effect on you. And if you have enough resistance, maybe you just start to like him. People have killed people they like/love all the time.

        On the other hand, because Hibiki’s charisma is an extension of her natural charm, she can present reasons for Sofia to immediately like her and join her side. Or at least that it wouldn’t be interesting to kill her now. Sofia is also a battle-junkie, so…that’s a reason that makes sense.

        And again, the one example of trying to talk to Sofia bombed out. But again, her POV chapter indicates she wasn’t really listening anyway, because her instincts were telling her “this guy needs to die NOW.” I imagine her instincts would be saying about Hibiki “it’s like killing a fluffy puppy.”

        @David

        You don’t always need a strategic reason to taunt. Sometimes you just do it to be a jerk. Or have fun. In Makoto’s case, he had enough leeway to even offer to erase Tomoki’s effects on her, in the MIDDLE of a life-and-death fight.

        That is some HARD-CORE TROLLING. Even if it was a sincere offer.

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      13. @blue if her insticts are that good then they would also scream kill her. Maybe not like makoto where its more like kill it before you cant. But more of kill it before it threatens you. After all hibiki is a tactician, a politician and those can be dangerous if they get out of control. Also if anyone had a chance to talk and convince sofia it would be makoto. He has direct contact to both mirage and myriad dragons. If her goal was to consume them get the power house that can take you on with 4 dragons on your side to be friendly with you. She is smart enough to think that far in advance dont screw up just because your instincts go out of control next to a being that for all intents and purpose is on its way to God hood.

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      14. @David

        You might be right, in that politicians can be dangerous. That being said, do you think a politician really presents a threat to Sofia? Sofia doesn’t appear to care about living a “normal” life, and doesn’t particularly care about hyumans either (which are the only things a politician can really threaten.) Sofia is one of those people who have reached a level of power where they can destroy entire cities and can live in the middle of nowhere. And she joined the Demon’s side. A hyuman politician doesn’t have many options to deal with that except to ask “please don’t” (They’re already at WAR. What can the politician threaten to do? Arrest them? Go to War+1?) On the other hand, a politician can be VERY useful (like in finding Root.)

        Also, Sofia’s instincts may only be related to battle. We don’t know. (We’ve only seen Sofia in battle situations.)

        My point simply is, there are so many uncertainties that we can AT MOST give Makoto half-credit for accidentally saving Hibiki. Like Psychronia said: Hibiki managed to survive to sometime after the Rotsgard school festival in another world.

        Also, your argument about Sofia wanting to get close to Makoto is too late. She didn’t know that Makoto had contact with Shen, and Makoto did not know Root at the time of their first fight. By the second fight, they’re already mortal enemies. It’s too late to play nice and pretend to be friends. Especially since she first says she’s going to kill the two, THEN Makoto reveals he knows them.

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      15. @David

        Also, why are you arguing about Sofia’s intuition? It IS that good, at least regarding battle. Here’s the relevant quotes:

        “I felt an alarm ring within me; if I left him alive, he would learn how to fight a battle and how to use his abilities.
        That is what I felt when fighting this guy.

        I decided to use the secret weapon that the demons lent me here. I think that this is my only chance to kill this guy.
        If I let him go, then he will become someone of unbelievable strength. It might also be because I was afraid of him.”

        I just don’t think she would ever feel that threatened by Hibiki or Tomoki, Ever.

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      16. One more quote:

        “But my intuition is telling me to remain vigilant, this guy is still dangerous. I have to quickly kill him or I will regret it.
        He tried to tell us that he’s just a bystander and just a merchant…I do not know why he was doing this.
        For some reason, he kept telling us that he did not want to fight. But him doing this just made me more cautious.
        My knowledge is telling me that Raidou is just a small fry…. But my experience in battle and intuition were screaming that he is the worst thing in this world.
        I knew what to trust.”

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      17. @Blue

        “I see what you mean, but that’s really a small difference”
        Actually that’s the difference between a manipulative Bitch and someone who acts by duty. I’m the kind of guy who thinks that your reasons for acting are evenly or more importants than what you did.
        That Okama Princess might manipulate MC-chan too, but she would do it because she has to do it as the head of state. Bitchiki isn’t even able to show gratefulness to someone who saved her twice.

        Because, that’s what MC-chan did, there is no half value in it or anything else. No matter if he did so volontarily or not, he did save her life.

        “Hibiki managed to survive to sometime after the Rotsgard school festival in another world.”
        I’m stopping you here, we don’t know what happened in that world. Let’s assume he didn’t fight Sofia cause he was with Trashero, we don’t know if Bitchiki went through the same fights in that world, Sofia’s role might have been different, same goes for Io, Naval…etc
        We cannot say she survived to her fight with Io even though MC-chan didn’t come, cause we don’t know if she fighted in the same conditions (or at all).

        However, let’s say that he’s protected her just once. You’re saying that Okama owes him more because he did not only saved her but also kept quiet about her secret. O.K but then don’t forget that he had one of Bitchiki’s near dead companion healed (and saved) through that Skeleton.
        Not the small stuff here, right ? At least for someone who hold dear the lives of her comrades, as you always brag.

        “criticizing Makoto is like criticizing Joshua.” It’s been stated that Bitchiki and that Okama are quite used to discuss together and are, at least, close enough to speak their mind to each other. Also, that Okama seems like an honest and prompt to self depreciate person, to me, she wouldn’t hesitate to blame herself for something wrong. (like she did many times).

        “While Makoto SAYS maybe Tomoki’s seed prevented Sofia from killing Tomoki, I thought that was intended more as a taunt than a Detective Conan moment.” If he was the kind of guy to taunt his enemies, he wouldn’t fall for little schemes to start, and his life would be way easier. But would he’d been this powerful ? I doubt it, and that wouldn’t be the same novel we all like.

        “do you think a politician really presents a threat to Sofia?”
        I think the danger David points out, is more about the tactician (and immoral) part of Bitchiki. She would most likely gain Sofia to her cause temporarily and then back stab her when she’ll understand that this battle junkie is too unpredictable to be controled and too powerful to be ignored. Just like with MC-chan.
        If Sofia’s instincts are that good, then she’d definitely have sensed that danger coming from Bitchiki.

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      18. @Sakamai Izayoi

        For starters, if you’re judging people more by their reasons instead of their actions, you should go re-read Hibiki’s chapters around the time she’s fighting Io the first time. Since it’s a POV chapter, you learn that HIbiki’s actions are being motivated by a sense of duty to the hyumans she chose to side with. I can respect that, even if I disagree with the side she chose.

        (Also, Okama are MEN who dress like women. Not the other way around.). Feel free to say Takarazuka though.

        1) You are right, in that I did forget to give credit for Shiki saving Wudi. However, people tend to give their gratitude to the person who DID the action. In which case, she would be more grateful to Shiki, not Makoto. (People thank the firefighter who saved their lives. Not the fire chief who ordered the fire men to go save their lives)
        2) Joshua has had more time (months) to get used to the idea of knowing Makoto saved her life. (Remember, her first reaction was more suspicion. “I owe you something, so let’s get it out of the way. I expect to be blackmailed.”). Hibiki has had about 1 day, and seems to be in a state of shock from the info dump Waterfall gave her.

        I don’t know where you get Joshua is self-deprecating, but SO IS Hibiki. “I am a politician. I am not very heroic. I am a calculating woman.”

        What does taunting have to do with being smart enough not to fall for a trap? But ever since Makoto invented the Magic Armor, he’s become a lot more casual and playful during fights. Look at how he talks when he fights the Earth Spirit, or the 4 Generals. He’s joking around, talking about sumo, etc.

        But even if it wasn’t a taunt, just because Makoto GUESSES that Sofia spared Tomoki because of the charm, does NOT make it true. It MIGHT be true, and that’s it.

        Good point about the possibility that she might backstab. Though I would argue it’s more out of a sense of duty to her role as a hero rather than doing it because she’s a “bitch”. Her loyalty (right now) is to the hyumans. She’s probably even been friends with them longer than she has been with Makoto.

        That being said, how are you using the word “backstab”? Is she taking any action that is harmful to Kuzunoha? Raidou? Concrete examples, please. Did you read ahead and are working off events that have not yet been translated?

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      19. I agree that it may not be two times and just onem but sont forget what her new power is. Peoples hopes on her power her up. So while she may not see that or know that it could happen she should feel that she is dangerous. Hibiki, makoto and tomoki all grow in an abnormal way compared to most people in this world so for her to not see that potential in tomoki or hibiki is a dangerous flaw. The rest yeah i concede on meeting root and shen.

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      20. @Blue

        “Since it’s a POV chapter, you learn that HIbiki’s actions are being motivated by a sense of duty to the hyumans”
        That’s what you can’t seem to understand. I’m saying, that it’s what she says, maybe also what she thinks. But these are not her true reasons, she’s lying to herself. That’s always been my point. I may be wrong and I don’t have formal proves but that’s what I see.

        “Also, Okama are MEN who dress like women. Not the other way around.). Feel free to say Takarazuka though”
        That Okama Princess seems very suspicious to me. Where are the evidences that he’s not someone who likes to cross-dress in his room, and lied to MC-chan all this time ?! I’ll need to check what’s under that dress to be sure. AHAHAHAHAHAHAH !

        “People thank the firefighter who saved their lives. Not the fire chief who ordered the fire men to go save their lives”
        Your example is irrelevant. That Skeleton didn’t saved that guy by duty, he did it because all this situation was his master’s order. It would be more like thanking the one who called the firemen when he saw that your house were in flames.

        “just because Makoto GUESSES that Sofia spared Tomoki because of the charm, does NOT make it true. It MIGHT be true, and that’s it.”
        I won’t answer to that, you’re just being stubborn there…

        “how are you using the word “backstab”? Is she taking any action that is harmful to Kuzunoha? Raidou? Concrete examples, please. ”
        Actually, that one is my bad, I wanted to say : “like she would have done to MC-chan”
        About your concrete examples, we still don’t have any. Of course, she’s aware of MC-chan dangerousness now, so she’ll be more subtil I think.

        “Did you read ahead and are working off events that have not yet been translated?”
        Oy ! Just to make it clear before that Maniac Truck gets all heated up, I don’t read raws nor use WB machine. All I’m telling are just basic deductions or hypothesis.

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      21. Umm…what? The whole point of Joshua’s identity being revealed was that Makoto DID accidentally check and find something(s) that weren’t supposed to be on a man.

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      22. @Psychronia

        Naive… Who would trust MC-chan in that field ? Also, I’ve always checked things by myself ! …Unless you already knows that Okama and try to cover him !

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    2. @Blue, my comment wasn’t about whether or not Hibiki should count it as a save and be greatful fo it, but was actually directed at you who said that “You” only count it as a half-save. It still happened, even if both of them were unaware of the events.

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      1. Are you kidding? You know well that it was the effect of Tomoki’s charm that saved his life. Sofia and Lancer were inclined to kill those who posed an obstacle to their true objective. This was the reason why they joined the demon’s side in the first place, to kill the heroes who might pose a threat later.

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      2. What? I thought Sofia joined the demons so she could kill…err…Crimson Red, I believe it was? The Lapis Volcano dragon. Sofia planned to hunt them all down so she could confront Root with Lancer.

        Unless I’m forgetting something(in which case, please tell me where it says this), Sofia basically doesn’t care about the heroes at all beyond a battle junkie’s interest.

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    3. I think makoto saved hibiki 2.5 times
      The 0.5 is the first time she fought io, if he didnt fight sofia then the demon army would have ambushed limia and most likely kill hibiki
      The 2 are at the ambush by the demons. Shiki kills lancer makoto fights io

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  15. Thanks for the chapter!
    I have been wondering this for a while but makoto can probably get a lot more OP using sakai, right now he is just increasing the amount of magic power by doing the “rebirth” when training with the bow, but if he uses sakai to increase gravity he can probably simulate the enviroment of his previous world (just like training in DBZ! XD) and increase his physical strength too, and depending how it goes he can even power up everyone in Asora using this method though it seems difficult since sakai lose efficacy as the area increase if I remember correctly.

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    1. He is already doing that training with Tomoe. The downside is that he stil can’t create that evioroment with out her so she is forced to endure such a place while he trains. He even mentioned that since he got to that world he hasn’t spend himself in training since his physical stats are so out of the chart.

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      1. Right, that Hindu hero god (forgot his name) that has his power multiplied by every Campione in the world. Y’know, I really should’ve realized that he was the King of the End (or at least would be involved), considering how many times Campione are called ‘devil kings’ and that guy is famous for killing Ravana, one of the most infamous devil kings. It’s a little embarrassing. Even I had heard the story of Prince Rama (I think?) before I even started reading manga and light novels.

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      1. Now I just readed the last extra posted in spanish and I have to say the author is just teasing us with Makoto skill by now, he droped two really serious hints in there that made my blood boil.

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    1. Oh my god!

      THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS!!!

      I don’t care if it’s in spanish, I can just use google translate to read it no problem.

      Thanks again! 😀

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    2. Thanks for the spanish extra, even when I struggling reading it via google translate it give me a new respect for Makoto.
      He really is hardworking person, to think about it again he learned the common language in one month ! Goddamit to master vocab may has been made impossible by the bug, but I’m gonna assume he already mastered basic conversations for everyday life, that’s no easy feats.
      Anyway I still think he is not that cold, he still cares about people and it will be not fair to judge him like Waterfall does. They just don’t know how hard Makoto has been training all his life, heck even master Of iai art want him to be his disciple. How cool is that.

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      1. You know I risk my life by telling you spoiler…
        Truck-kun is eveywhere….

        Joke asides I’m still in the middle of reading it, it’s kinda hard to process “him and her” terms that loss in translation by google translate.
        Anyway what I can tell you is :
        That Makoto is trained in very hardcore way by his shishou, they imitated horseback riding archery by using a jeep, a freaking jeep ! Hitting target while moving in jeep, Makoto itself always says it’s unreasonable and impossible, but in the end after much pain and training he did it, that’s the extent of love Makoto has for archery.
        His shishou feels like there’s nothing else she can teach Makoto, so she allow Makoto to pursue anything that interest him, and as fate is always cruel to Makoto another Master noticed the existence of talentless boy that breaking through that word by simply training his best.
        That was the other master I was talking about, but this one are different he want to use Makoto to reach a higher peak of martial arts, in short he want to learn how Makoto manages to change talentless into talent, and for that he prepared to teach Makoto his secret art, ditching (presumably Hibiki) another prodigy, he say he don’t want a prodigy disciple, he want a talentless disciple so he can learn his secret to breakthrough the limit.
        In a way the side story are so similar to One Punchman backstory, also resembles History strongest Disciple Kenichi, many master with one pupil.
        It’s a worth reading I cannot wait to read the proper english one.

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      2. So you are reading the first or the second extra focused on the masters? And since this is not a spoiler Truck-kun won’t attack me by revealing that the second Master thats interested in Makoto is the same Master of the school of Kendo that Hibiki practices with a little twist.

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      3. i know their training wuth the jeep, im kind of dumdfounded when try to understand the raw, and “what?” when i understand it.
        His acrhery teacher name is Natsu, and the male teacher who actually old friend of her is Gininchiro or what(i forgot), he actually didn’t notice Hibiki at all you know, he seem(well they are veteran pro, so what they said must be authentic) find Hibiki is so-so/normal.
        I think at some point Natsu suggesting Makoto to “try” gun, but he find it boring and tost it away.

        what i want to know is extra 22/26 when it’s about computer/pc i think, they(idk who) talking about RAID, so i find it amusing, but read a raw with computer context is still imposibru for me.

        i think i had truck run at my face, just few cm from my nose at past. when it happened i think i find my self empty inside, but fortunately i could cross the street.

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      4. He didn’t find the guns easy, he saw them as just an instrument for murder, didn’t feel any appeal to them so he didn’t trained with them.

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  16. Let’s see. Hibiki gets saved twice by Makoto and still doesn’t see him as being benevolent? What kind of person doesn’t show gratitude? Not only that, but he saved the King and Prince of Limia. Shouldn’t these people be grateful? He eliminated Sophia. Shiki eliminated Lancer. Through proxy,Makoto has defeated their most clear and present dangers.If Makoto wanted to get more out of this, it’s not like he couldn’t ask for it later. I don’t like the character of Hibiki, she’s very twofaced and so was Waterfall. Someone in one of the other comments said something about Suri not having a chain, she did a separate ceremony that was completely different to the one done by the other three.

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    1. I’ve got a question. Could that crack in Makoto’s neck not represent Sari? She did try to kill herself by stabbing herself in the neck and that left an impression on Makoto, plus she used an eerie ritual that connected their lives together.

      Not to mention that she hates hyumans. So, could that thing not represent Sari?

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      1. It’s just that it’s kind of strange that Sari isn’t shown, since his other followers are still represented through a chain in the vision and Sari whose life is tied to Makoto’s isn’t shown at all.

        The crack in the armour could represent Sari who is currently inside Asora right now and whose curiosity is at its max right now, since she’s in an unknown place that she can’t comprehend.

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      2. I really doubt Sari has anything to do with this.

        Firstly, she’s not an important character at all. I don’t see why she’d have enough value to show up in something that’s an observation of Makoto’s soul.

        Secondly, Sari’s contract only binds herself to him, without any particular relationship otherwise. I’d sooner believe Ema or Makoto’s students have an appearance than Sari.

        Lastly, Sari’s suicide made him uncomfortable, but I don’t feel that it left any particular impression on him. The fact that Makoto chose to be soft and save her is the most significant part of his knowing her, and that’s almost the exact opposite of a “crack in a pure white shell”.

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      3. I hear ya, it’s just that I think someone contracting themselves to a person in such a way would form more of a binding relationship with the other party even if it is unwanted by the other person, especially since she used some of his dna and it would reflect in some way as a part of him.

        The nature of the vision itself is still unclear. They said it reflected his true self, but what does that mean? Is it his personality? his personal connections? or multiple things? Even if Sari isn’t important to him, she is still directly connected to him through the contract.

        The impression I meant was a bad one. Her actions made him dislike the demons’ way of treating their own lives and those of others of the same race, even those close to them. That action changed some of his impressions of the demon race.

        Well, I didn’t say that the impression itself is what caused the crack in the shell. I just said that it could be what represents Sari, since Sari is currently inside Asora, hence the reason why it showed something inside the cracked shell. Sari has some sort of blood contract with Makoto it wouldn’t be suprising that the vision showed it was a part of him.

        It could be one of the reasons why the author made that contract, to fuel Hibiki’s anxiety towards Makoto after hearing about that vision.

        But yeah, it’s only speculation on my part and one of the theories I came up with.

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      4. i don’t think Sari, herself, is responsible for that crack, but she is most likely indirectly the cause of the dream Makoto had where he was inside a place where he couldn’t see and was receiving mental damage from the killing intent of his alternate world self. perhaps that god’s gift doesn’t just show him alternate futures, but may also leave something behind inside him.

        Chiya’s description of that crack does match exactly with how Makoto experienced it

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      5. Shiva explained that the case of his last alternative Makoto the reason he felt and didn’t see was because that Parallel world resonated to mutch with Makoto so he felt like that one instead of been an observer.

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  17. Thanks for the chapter. I am guessing the guy they will be interviewing to replace Bredda, will most likely be Misura. That’s the reason ehy they are waiting for Raidou and Co. to leave first.

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  18. Makoto gave Athena a serious run for her money and was still human. Waterfall and Hibiki wouldn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell if he got angry or one of his people got hurt. Sari is a minor character so far, doesn’t mean she won’t get more play later on. The rite she performed isn’t like the other 3 at all. She took a piece of his hair and performed the rite on her own. She alienated herself from the rest of the demons to be close to him. Don’t think she would be able to keep him from doing in the Demons if he chose to go after them. But, the Demons have treated him better than the Hyumans he’s come across; except a few exceptions( the family he saved,the Rembrandts, Rinon and her sister,etc…. ) I believe he believes in honesty and truth, dignity and honor above all else. Not being betrayed, that kind of thing.

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  19. After mulling it out for a while, I actually agree it’s best for Makoto to go home to Japan. He is obviously homesick and well… the world of the bug goddess , I feel like that world is inevitably headed toward it’s own destruction.

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  20. Thanks for the chapter rei-sama
    What do joshua and hibiki want to do by makoto? She wants to ask him to join the gale against the demon while mio warned hibiki that makoto does not want the war is this stupid? Do they want it destroyed by
    yandere mio ^^

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    1. This is kind of old news… and no other news since then. Apparently it will be a browser games, and it looks like it will have a similar game mechanic with games like Granblue Fantasy. I have suspicion that the player took a role of another Hero summoned by the Bug Goddess, if it turned out to be true, I am going to have mixed feeling about it.

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